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Subject: Introduction

The UK Goth Mini-FAQ is an unofficial Frequently Asked Questions 
document for the gothic subculture in the UK.  It hopefully provides 
some useful information in a succinct manner, although it doesn't 
attempt to detail every facet of the scene.  Comments and updates are 
welcome; please use the maintainer email address listed at the top of 
the document.  Alternatively, comment by following-up posts of the FAQ 
to the uk.people.gothic newsgroup.

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Subject: Table of Contents

         1. Recent Changes
         2. What is the gothic subculture?
         3. How did the term "gothic" come to describe a style of music?
         4. Is goth a religious movement?
         5. How is the goth scene linked to the "vampire scene"?
         6. Is the goth scene linked with violence or fascism?
         7. What goth events are taking place in the near future?
         8. What is the Whitby Gothic Weekend all about?
         9. What other festivals are of interest to UK goths?
        10. What magazines are popular in the UK scene?
        11. Can any books on the scene be recommended?
        12. How can I get hold of goth music?
        13. Where can I find out about goth fashion?
        14. How can I look after black clothes?
        15. What can I do if I have no local scene?
        16. What is a "net.goth"?
        17. What is netgoth.org.uk?
        18. What newsgroups exist?
        19. What are some good tips for posting to uk.people.gothic?
        20. What is Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and #uk_goffs?
        21. What other Internet resources exist?
        22. Credits

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Subject: 1. Recent Changes

From version 1.2.27:

  * Replaced "21st Century Goth" in books section with "Music to Die
    For".

  * Whitby Hotel and Catering Association now Whitby Hospitality
    Association.

  * Sister Ray removed from music section as they went into
    administration <http://drownedinsound.com/news/3752513>.

  * Updates to magazine section (hat tip: Certic).

From version 1.2.26:

  * Corrected times for radio shows.

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Subject: 2. What is the gothic subculture?

The original Goths were an ancient Germanic tribe which split into the 
separate Ostrogoth and Visigoth tribes in the third century.  The 
Visigoths secured their place in history in the year 268, when they 
invaded the Roman Empire and swarmed over the Balkan peninsula.

Post-Roman invasion, the word "Gothic" became used to describe the 
uncivilised, ignorant or barbarous.  The Renaissance humanists of Italy 
used this negative sense to describe a style of architecture prevalent 
in Western Europe, which they detested.  This resulted in the term 
becoming synonymous with the dark and ominous, like the architecture 
itself.  Its use expanded to cover the macabre in the 19th century, when 
it was used to describe writings such as Mary Shelly's "Frankenstein."

The term "gothic" became increasing used throughout the 1980s to 
describe both a style of music and a movement growing out of the ashes 
of punk rock.  By the late 1980s goth had become mainstream, with bands 
such as All About Eve, The Sisters Of Mercy, The Mission and Fields of 
the Nephilim -- all labelled as gothic rock by the music press -- 
finding commercial success.  A distinctive and arresting fashion had 
developed too, with long crimped hair (dyed black), voluminous velvet 
dresses (black), tight jeans (black) and leather jackets (also black) 
all forming part of the staple goth look.

As the music media lost interest in goth in the early 1990s, it started 
to shrink from view.  However, united by a common love of dark music, a 
network of fanzines and friendships held the scene together.  Goth 
nights sprung up around the country to play the music more general 
alternative nights would not.

Goth re-established itself as a bona fide underground scene, rapidly 
finding new fans and exploring different directions in both look and 
sound.  Bands from the 1990s such as Rosetta Stone and Children on Stun 
explored electronic music to a great degree, whilst still maintaining a 
distinctive guitar-driven gothic feel.  Many goth nights were also 
havens for industrial rock, which resulted in a certain amount of 
crossover between the scenes.

Bands popular in today's scene include the Cruxshadows, Inkubus 
Sukkubus, the Last Dance, Manuskript, Screaming Banshee Aircrew and 
Swarf.  Electro-industrial and EBM (Electronic Body Music) projects such 
as Front Line Assembly, Velvet Acid Christ and VNV Nation are also 
popular with many, especially the contingent known as "cybergoths".  
Many cybergoths also enthuse about rhythmic noise; sometimes known as 
power noise, its sound is typified by projects such as Converter and 
early Noisex.

The scene is alive and active, supported by its own infrastructure of 
promoters, designers, manufacturers and musicians.  Furthermore, goth 
shows no sign of going away; it has an irrepressible persistence, much 
its namesake, the ancient Goths.

(See <http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/etymology.html> for more on the 
etymology of the term "gothic.")

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Subject: 3. How did the term "gothic" come to describe a style of music?

The term "gothic" emerged in 1979 to describe various post-punk bands.  
Joy Division's sound was described as gothic by their producer Martin 
Hannett, and by Factory Records co-founder Anthony H. Wilson.  
Meanwhile, Siouxsie and the Banshees used the term to describe their 
Join Hands album.

Other important "gothic" bands from the early 1980s include Bauhaus, Sex 
Gang Children, Southern Death Cult and UK Decay.  Abbo from UK Decay 
inadvertently identified an emerging goth movement in a 1981 Sounds 
interview, and Ian Astbury (Southern Death Cult) used the term "goths" 
to describe Sex Gang Children fans.

For more information, see An Early History of Goth 
<http://www.scathe.com/histgoth.htm> by Pete Scathe.

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Subject: 4. Is goth a religious movement?

The goth scene is rich in religious imagery, including symbols such as 
ankhs, crucifixes and pentacles; however it is neither a religious nor 
an occult movement.  It is seldom an issue in the goth scene, and there 
are goths who are atheists, agnostics, Christians and Pagans, as well as 
other beliefs too.

Religion is not a major theme for most goth bands either, even though 
many do have members who are religious.  The Pagan group Inkubus 
Sukkubus are an exception to this, and have loyal fans in both goth and 
Pagan circles.  For an example of a Christian goth icon, look no further 
than Nick Cave; he describes how he came to embrace religion in the 
essay "The Flesh Made Word," which can be found amoungst the pages of 
"King Ink II" (Two Thirteen Sixty-One Publications, 1997).

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Subject: 5. How is the goth scene linked to the "vampire scene"?

There are practically no links between the goth and vampire scenes; they 
are two different subcultures with a very small amount of crossover.

When the mainstream media covers goth, it invariably involves vampire 
and witchcraft undertones for the /amusement/ of the general public.  
Interestingly, Peter Murphy (Bauhaus) has intimated that the seminal 
single "Bela Lugosi's Dead" -- named after the Count Dracula actor -- 
was released as a joke; unfortunately Bauhaus, and goth, has had to live 
with the punch line for a very long time.

Acts like Cradle of Filth (which the media tends to put in the "goth" 
camp, even though they are closer to black metal) use both vampire and 
gothic imagery; this only adds to the confusion.

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Subject: 6. Is the goth scene linked with violence or fascism?

Up until 1999 the goth scene in Britain had largely escaped any 
media-triggered moral panic.  The horrific Columbine High School 
killings in Denver, USA, changed that, with the press emphasising an 
apparant association of the killers with the gothic subculture.  The 
impact in Britian, however, was not as strong as in parts of the United 
States, where goths found themselves as one of several minority groups 
singled out in an ensuing media witch-hunt.

More recent media attention includes:

  * A 2002 Guardian newspaper article
    <http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11981,841363,00.html>
    covering the German goth/neo-folk scene, which describes goth as
    "the point at which neo-Nazism and Satanism meet."

  * A 2004 article about a youth outreach programme for goths in the
    United States <http://www.pitch.com/issues/2004-06-03/stline.html>,
    which concludes that the gothic subculture isn't actually a problem.

Make no mistake: violence, fascism and racism has never been tolerated 
by the goth scene.  Venue managers often comment positively at the lack 
of violent or rowdy behaviour at large goth events.  Unfortunately 
sensationalist journalism often seems determined to portray goth in a 
sinister manner, and the subculture is given little or no opportunity to 
defend itself.  Sadly little can be done about this.

(Note: For an idea of how little research the Guardian seems to do, in 
2002 they also suggested that glowsticks wouldn't be welcome in the 
Slimelight.  Clearly they haven't investigated the place anytime this 
millennium.)

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Subject: 7. What goth events are taking place in the near future?

In any given month, there's a large number of events of interest to 
goths taking place up and down the country.  See the Events section of 
netgoth.org.uk <http://www.netgoth.org.uk/events/> for an accurate guide 
on what is happening when.

See the next two questions below for information on Whitby and other 
major festivals.

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Subject: 8. What is the Whitby Gothic Weekend all about?

The Whitby Gothic Weekend <http://www.wgw.topmum.co.uk/> is the UK's 
longest running goth festival.  An extended weekend break, it's a place 
for goths both inside and outside the UK to watch bands, discover new 
music and generally have a good time.  Another important part of the 
weekend is the Bizarre Bazaar, which is an excellent place to find those 
essential goth and cyber wardrobe items.

The first WGW was in September 1994, when Jo Hampshire (Top Mum) invited 
her friends on a seaside holiday.  The idea was more popular than she 
anticipated -- two hundred black-clad people turned up!  Sensing she was 
on to a winner, the gothic weekend became an annual event situated in 
and around the Spa Pavilion.  Since 1997 there have been two WGWs a 
year, usually held around April and November.  Anywhere between 1000 and 
1500 people turn up.

For information on getting hold of a ticket, consult the WGW website.  
The best tip for finding somewhere to stay is -- book early!  Whitby 
Tourist Information can be contacted on +44 (0)1947 602674, and they 
have computerised availability.  Other useful websites include the 
Whitby Hospitality Association <http://www.whitbyhospitality.co.uk/> and 
Whitby Online <http://www.whitbyonline.co.uk/>.  The StarVox web 
magazine also has a good WGW feature at 
<http://www.starvox.net/crypt/whitby/whitby.htm>.

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Subject: 9. What other festivals are of interest to UK goths?

Beyond the Veil <http://www.gogpromotions.co.uk/> is a goth, darkwave 
and neofolk festival run by the people behind the Black Veil club.  It 
runs every Easter weekend, with the main bands event being on Easter 
Sunday.  Held in Leeds, it brings a wide range of international acts to 
the UK; past headliners have included ASP, Bella Morte and Diva 
Destruction.

Dark City <http://www.darkcity-edinburgh.com/> is another Easter event, 
and is based in Edinburgh.  Headlining acts have included Clan of Xymox, 
The Mission and VNV Nation.

Infest <http://www.infestuk.com/> describes itself as the UK's premier 
festival of alternative electronic music.  It is held every August at 
the University of Bradford Students' Union, and plays host to a variety 
of projects ranging from the futurepop of Assemblage 23 or VNV Nation to 
the harsh technoid rhythms associated with labels such as Ant-Zen and 
Hands Productions.

Carnival of Souls <http://www.carnivalofsouls.co.uk/> is a one day 
gothic/fetish festival.  It runs in Derby every October.

Flag Promotions <http://www.flagpromotions.com/> run a number of all-day 
events in London, including Gotham in May and Elektrofest usually around 
April or early May.

(Internationally there are a number of other large events of interest to 
UK goths, including M'era Luna <http://www.meraluna.de/> and Wave Gotik 
Treffen <http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/> in Germany, and Convergence 
<http://www.altgothic.com/> in the United States.)

------------------------------

Subject: 10. What magazines are popular in the UK scene?

Kaleidoscope <http://www.myspace.com/kaleidoscopemagazine> is probably 
the most well known publication from within the UK goth scene.  Focused 
primarily on music, it has good coverage of darkwave, EBM, industrial 
and gothic rock; there's also a degree of fashion and lifestyle 
coverage.  Kaleidoscope is published every quarter, and is stocked by a 
number of alternative retailers, including Resurrection Records and 
Grave News.

TWF Magazine <http://www.twfmagazine.com/> is another quarterly 
publication, and carries reviews of albums, live performances and clubs, 
along with band interviews and sections on lifestyle and fashion.  It is 
available up and down the UK; see their website for a full list of 
stockists.

Unscene <http://www.animespresso.com/unscene/> is a relatively new 
magazine, presently published every six months.  They carry a large 
number of band interviews, along with reviews, alternative photography 
and whatever else captures their interest.  Unscene can be ordered by 
cheque, PO or via PayPal (details on website).

Fanzines are also popular, but by their very nature it's difficult to 
know which ones are in circulation at any given time.  They can often be 
picked up at gigs.  Despite their lower production qualities, many 
exhibit a humorous irreverence that other publications can't match.  One 
example is Bubblegum Slut Fanzine 
<http://www.myspace.com/bubblegumslutzine>, which is covered in fake 
fur(!) and covers glam, punk and goth.

Most of the mainstream music press continues to ignore goth, as it did 
throughout the 1990s.  Rock Sound tends to be an exception to this rule, 
and seems to have a genuine interest in independent alternative music.  
Terrorizer and Classic Rock also have some limited goth coverage.  The 
NME, meanwhile, becomes more irrelevant with every passing year; they 
generally do a clueless "goth revival" piece every six months or so.

------------------------------

Subject: 11. Can any books on the scene be recommended?

The single best book on the goth movement is "Goth: Identity, Style and 
Subculture," by Paul Hodkinson (Berg Publishers, 2002).  Written from an 
academic perspective, it explores the identities, practices and values 
of the goth scene, and examines how it fits in with the rest of society.  
It's not a modern guide to goth, but instead provides a complete 
ethnographic study.

"Music to Die For" (Cherry Red Books, 2009) is the latest guide to the 
scene by Mick Mercer.  Taking an international view, it provides an 
extensive guide to goth-related bands, and is complete with 
discographies, line-ups and contributions from many of the groups 
themselves.  This is Mick Mercer's fifth book on goth, and the one most 
relevant to today's scene.

"The Goth Bible: A Compendium for the Darkly Inclined" (Saint Martin's 
Press, 2004) is a passionate examination of the goth scene by Nancy 
Kilpatrick.  Ninety-five goths contribute quotes and opinions as the 
book provides an insight into the past, present and potential future of 
the movement; as the work progresses it covers subjects as diverse as 
absinthe, architecture, club culture, fashion, gardening and marriage.

"What is Goth?" (Red Wheel/Weiser, 2004) is a humorous goth-spotting 
field guide.  It was written by Voltaire, author of the "Oh My Goth!" 
comic book series.  Within its pages you will also find advice on 
finding your goth name, how to generate a gothic poem, and how to 
accomplish difficult dance floor manoeuvres such as "pulling the evil 
taffy."  "Paint It Black: A Guide to Gothic Homemaking" (Weiser Books, 
2005) is the similiarly tongue-in-cheek follow-up.

"Goth Chic: A Connoisseur's Guide to Dark Culture" by Gavin Baddeley 
(Plexus Publishing, 2002) is another attempt at exploring gothic 
culture.  It has a much wider view of what goth constitutes, covering 
everything from horror comics to vampire cultists.  Although quite 
interesting it's not as relevant as the writings of Paul Hodkinson, 
Nancy Kilpatrick or Mick Mercer.

"The Dark Reign of Gothic Rock: In The Reptile House with The Sisters of 
Mercy, Bauhaus and The Cure" (Helter Skelter Publishing, 2002) by Dave 
Thompson gives a good insight into the history of gothic rock, although 
it's only indirectly relevant to the present movement.

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Subject: 12. How can I get hold of goth music?

One of the best places to pick up goth music is, of course, at goth 
events.  Having said that, here are a number of good 
goth/electro-industrial/alternative stockists:

  * Resurrection Records <http://www.resurrectionmusic.com/>

  * Music Non Stop <http://www.musicnonstop.co.uk/>

  * Grave News <http://www.gravenewsltd.com/>

High street shops such as Virgin Megastore and HMV usually stock 
mainstream goth music, such as Bauhaus, the Cure or even Clan of Xymox; 
however it's rare for more obscure bands trickle in.  Independent 
alternative music stores are often a good bet, and the aforementioned 
Resurrection Records have an excellent store in Camden, London.

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Subject: 13. Where can I find out about goth fashion?

The best place to start if you want to know about gothic fashion is the 
alt.gothic.fashion FAQ <http://www.ravenmoon.us/agf/>.  It contains all 
manner of information on where to get goth clothes, how to paint your 
leather jacket, how to have more vibrant and impressive hair than the 
rest of your peers, etc.

A good starting point on the Web for goth and cyber clothing is Batgear 
Beyond <http://www.batgearbeyond.com/>.  It's like a version of Yahoo!  
dedicated just to goth fashion.

Building up a large goth wardrobe takes time and imagination.  There are 
many different styles of goth fashion, ranging from deathrock 
(black-clad punk), to vintage and Victoriana, to futuristic and cyber 
clubwear.  The trick is to find a look which suits you, and then to 
tailor it into something unique; you don't want to appear identical to 
the person sitting next to you!

Specialist goth clothing stores can be fantastic if you're able to get 
to them, but you shouldn't ignore high street clothing stores, 
especially during the after-Christmas sales.  Interesting items and 
accessories can turn up in the least likely places.  Beyond that, there 
are second-hand shops, antique clothing specialists, fetishwear 
suppliers, army surplus stores, and more, all of which may or may not 
have something that fits into your personal look.

If you're new to the scene, and are unsure of what to wear to a goth 
night, often the best advice is just to turn up in "normal" black 
clothes (T-shirt, jeans, dress, etc.).  A safe minimalist approach is 
preferable to a gothic fashion disaster, and still shows you've put some 
effort into your appearance.  This is usually enough to satisfy a 
"gothic dress code," though it would be advisable to double-check for 
large events.

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Subject: 14. How can I look after black clothes?

In order to keep your black clothes black, use a dark or colour clothing 
laundry detergent such as Dreft Dark.  Avoid washing liquids that 
contain bleach or whiteners.

Do not put too much detergent into a wash -- one capful will normally be 
enough -- and never wash at more than 40C.  Sunlight is also a powerful 
bleaching agent, so dry clothing indoors if possible.

If you find tiny white specks appearing on your clothing when you enter 
a club, it is caused by the ultraviolet lighting.  The best way to get 
rid of these filaments is with a product such as Sticki-Mitts.

If you're interested in redyeing your black clothes, see the Dye It 
Black FAQ <http://www.darkwave.org.uk/~bob/dye.faq.html>.

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Subject: 15. What can I do if I have no local scene?

Participation in the goth scene is still feasible if you live in a 
remote area or a town with little alternative night-life.  The Internet 
along with the various magazine resources make it possible to explore 
the culture, discover new music, and find out about events within 
travelling distance.  Forums like uk.people.gothic are useful for 
finding out whether there are any friendly goths in your local area.

Visiting goth nightclubs in the larger cities can be fun, but that 
doesn't mean travelling goths should abandon all hope once they return 
home.  Many adopt a local alternative, indie or rock pub/club, and are 
able to exert a little influence over the CDs in the jukebox.  
Additionally, DJs can be more willing to take requests at the start of 
an evening, especially if no-one outside the goth crowd is dancing.

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Subject: 16. What is a "net.goth"?

The term net.goth was coined as a joke by Sexbat, in a posting to the 
alt.gothic newsgroup.  A modern definition for the term could be as 
follows:

    *net.goth* /net goth/  noun.  *1.* a poster to alt.gothic,
      uk.people.gothic or other goth-related newsgroup.  *2.* any
      goth with a presence on the Internet.  [Usenet: see net dot
      prefix, net.god, net.personality, etc.]

Incidentally, visit Sexbat's website at <http://www.cydhe.com/> if you 
are interested in the Tao of Goth or other mysterious writings.

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Subject: 17. What is netgoth.org.uk?

netgoth.org.uk <http://www.netgoth.org.uk/> is the largest web portal of 
the UK goth community.  It contains a wealth of useful information, 
constantly updated by its visitors.  Amongst other things, it's the home 
of:

  * The net.goth map, which lists clubs, shops, people, and other things
    of interest up and down the UK.

  * An events database and calendar, for club nights, gigs, festivals,
    etc.

  * A music database containing band information and album reviews (not
    currently accepting new submissions, but useful nonetheless).

The netgoth.org.uk server is run by Sam (Samoth on netgoth IRC).  There 
is also a team of five moderators (Dave H, Davefish, Phono Paul, 
Sheridan and Victoria/Batty) who approve incoming site contents and 
generally try to keep things up to date.  The current version of 
netgoth.org.uk was originally created and hosted by Dishmop Dave, and 
many other people have helped out over the years too.

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Subject: 18. What newsgroups exist?

Usenet is the name of a world-wide discussion system.  It consists of 
tens of thousands of "newsgroups," which are organised underneath 
various hierarchies.

alt.gothic <news:alt.gothic> blinked into existence around Halloween 
1991, and may have been the first online discussion forum specifically 
for goths.  (Amusing historical note: it was a spin-off of Dominion, the 
electronic mailing list for The Sisters Of Mercy.)

alt.gothic was a phenomenal success, and in June 1995 uk.people.gothic 
<news:uk.people.gothic> was created to offer a more UK-focused 
discussion.  (alt.gothic is for international discussion, but is very 
US-centric.)

Other newsgroups which may be of interest include:

  * The Australian group, aus.culture.gothic <news:aus.culture.gothic>

  * German group, de.soc.subkultur.gothic <news:de.soc.subkultur.gothic>

  * For French speakers, alt.gothic.francophone
    <news:alt.gothic.francophone>

  * alt.gothic.fashion <news:alt.gothic.fashion>, for the discussion of
    pointy boots, hair dye, and makeup tips

  * Music-related groups which have varying proportions of goths
    amongst their readership:

      * alt.gothic.music <news:alt.gothic.music>

      * alt.music.gothic <news:alt.music.gothic>

      * rec.music.industrial <news:rec.music.industrial>

      * uk.music.alternative <news:uk.music.alternative>

Usenet can be accessed through a web interface, such as Google Groups 
<http://groups.google.com/>; however for a much better experience you 
should use dedicated newsreader software such as Forte Agent, Microsoft 
Outlook Express, Mozilla Thunderbird or Turnpike.

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Subject: 19. What are some good tips for posting to uk.people.gothic?

Please read "Configuring Your News Reader to Post to uk.*" 
<http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html> for information about newsreader 
software and guidelines on how to post to Usenet.  Here are some good 
tips for posting to uk.people.gothic and similar newsgroups:

  1. Posts should be readable as plain text, wrapping at less than 80
     columns -- HTML-formatted messages are prohibited.

  2. Please don't "top post" -- when quoting a message you're replying
     to, place your reply underneath or interspersed with it rather than
     over it.  Trim unnecessary quoted text, but leave enough to show
     the context of your reply.

  3. Don't post pictures or sound files to the group -- consider
     directing people to a website instead.

  4. If you use a ".signature" (a sign-off message at the end of your
     posts) please keep it to four lines or less.

  5. Please don't send posts just to test your newsreader -- that's what
     the uk.test newsgroup is for.

  6. Be aware of uk.people.gothic's formal charter, which can be found
     at <http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.people.gothic.html>.

Incidentally, Martin Oldgoth maintains a UPG Gallery 
<http://www.insanitorium.co.uk/upg-gallery.htm> for anyone curious about 
what uk.people.gothic posters actually look like.  You may also be 
interested in the original (no longer maintained) uk.people.gothic FAQ 
<http://www.darkwave.org.uk/faq/ukpg/>, although please note that much 
of it is now out of date.

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Subject: 20. What is Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and #uk_goffs?

Internet Relay Chat is an interactive way to communicate with people 
over the Internet in real time.  By connecting an IRC client program to 
one of several IRC networks, you can join one or more "channels" and 
exchange text messages with people all over the world.  Popular IRC 
client programs include mIRC and XChat.  For a full introduction to IRC, 
see <http://www.irchelp.org/>.

netgoth.org.uk has an Internet Relay Chat section 
<http://www.netgoth.org.uk/chat/>, better known through the name of its 
main channel, #uk_goffs.  It can be reached either through its own web 
browser interface, or through IRC client software.  A chaotic and often 
downright strange environment, #uk_goffs can require thick skin.  It 
also sometimes takes time for the regulars to accept newcomers.

You can connect up with IRC client software by joining channel #uk_goffs 
on the host irc.netgoth.org.uk, with a port number between 6665-7001 
<irc://irc.netgoth.org.uk/uk_goffs>.  There is also channel #quiet 
<irc://irc.netgoth.org.uk/quiet> for when things just get too noisy.  In 
the event that the main server is down, try #uk_goffs on 
irc2.netgoth.org.uk <irc://irc2.netgoth.org.uk/uk_goffs> instead.  If 
that too doesn't work, try ports 6660-6669 on irc.darker.net 
<irc://irc.darker.net/uk_goffs>.

Please read the net.goth chat rules and tips before getting stuck in.

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Subject: 21. What other Internet resources exist?

The Miss Jinny Show <http://www.missjinny.com/> is an online radio show 
that highlights goth, dark electronica and industrial techno.  It can be 
heard on Monday nights from 9pm until 11pm.  The show regularly features 
guests.

Natasha's Batcave can be heard on TotalRock <http://www.totalrock.com/> 
every Wednesday from 6pm until 9pm.  The show plays gothic rock, 
deathrock and industrial metal.  It's repeated every Sunday from 3am 
until 6am.  It is also normally available on Sky Digital channel 938, 
although not at present.

Nemesis To Go <http://www.nemesis.to/go.htm> is the webzine of 
London-based Uncle Nemesis.  Covering his "misadventures in modern 
music," it has a stack of witty live reviews, album reviews and more.  
Similiarly, The Mick <http://www.mickmercer.com/themick.html> provides 
an eclectic mix of old and new reviews, and is written by Mick Mercer.

StarVox Music Zine <http://www.starvox.net/> has been a popular resource 
for goth, deathrock and alternative music fans for many years.  Although 
StarVox has now closed its doors, all the old material is still 
available.

For the goth on the move, there are a number of downloadable podcasts 
from UK DJs:

  * Dark Assimilation <http://www.darkassimilation.org/>

  * thirteen13's podcast <http://www.clickcaster.com/thirteen13>

  * TWF Magazine podcast <http://www.clickcaster.com/kev36663>

There is a large number of electronic mailing lists for goths within 
different regions; many of these are listed on netgoth.org.uk.  There 
are also lists for band followings and some other quite diverse subjects 
-- gothic parenting for example!

If you're a goth band or promoter, you may be interested in the UK 
Promoters list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UKpromoters/>.  It's a 
good way to get in touch with others for advice on gigs and touring.

It's also worth mentioning that an awful lot of goths seem to keep a 
LiveJournal <http://www.livejournal.com/>.  LiveJournal is an online 
diary ("blog") and social networking tool, and is remarkably addictive.  
(Sometimes it can be entertaining; at other times it is more akin to 
watching a car crash in slow motion.)

MySpace <http://www.myspace.com/> dwarfs even LiveJournal; it provides 
similar blogging services, but has a greater focus around viewing 
pictures and meeting new people.  It is perhaps best known for its 
music-sharing facilities, and has been recommended as a way to discover 
new bands.

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Subject: 22. Credits

The UK Goth Mini-FAQ was written by Dave H (lorian@darkwave.org.uk).

Thank you to all the denizens of uk.people.gothic who have offered 
positive feedback.  The following people all commented on version 1.0 of 
the FAQ: BitBat/Trish, Dave (Exile), Enigma, Jodi, Jozafeen, Marge, 
Martin Read, Mel, Michael Johnson, MoonDog, Morph, Natasha (Meltdown), 
Oldgoth, Pete French, Pyromancer, Rachel (Tinygoth), Wamphyri, 
Whisky-Dave and Zotz.  Thanks also to Dishmop Dave for mirroring this 
document on darkwave.org.uk.

Copyright (c) 2004-2009 Dave H (lorian@darkwave.org.uk).  Licensed under 
the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported licence 
<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/>.
